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Post by Deleted on Jul 10, 2013 13:04:54 GMT -5
Kelly and Armstead will hopefully be good interior additions in 4-man fronts or 5-tech rushers in 3-man fronts. I would love for Hightower to get a shot rushing the passer more often, he has 8-10 sack potential if he weren't being asked to drop into coverage or stay home so often. Kelly has a history that indicates he will produce. Armstead is a hope. I am with you Pan in believing Hightower might be our best bet as a top pass rusher if we alter his role and let him loose. Kelly also just quit on his team last year,so let's hope he has found a new religion, The Patriot Way. I do not see Hightower as an effective DE in a 4-3. In a 3-4 as a olb rusher he will make more of an impact. Pan, you were talking in another message about the pass rush being questionable with our DE's. I think their play will improve if the new interior guys [Kelly and Armstead] require more blocking from the other guys OL. How often do you see Willson coming from the S spot on rush packages?
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Post by clduds34 on Jul 11, 2013 7:17:54 GMT -5
Wtf is wrong with these kids?! Dennard arrested for suspicion of DUI while being on probation for two years and with a 30 jail sentence awaiting after the season. He screwed himself and the Pats pretty good here. I bet the judge is going to say screw football, you're going to jail right now. You can't violate probation and avoid jail time. Ahhhh that's the last thing we needed right now was another run in with the law.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 11, 2013 9:03:47 GMT -5
Wtf is wrong with these kids?! Dennard arrested for suspicion of DUI while being on probation for two years and with a 30 jail sentence awaiting after the season. He screwed himself and the Pats pretty good here. I bet the judge is going to say screw football, you're going to jail right now. You can't violate probation and avoid jail time. Ahhhh that's the last thing we needed right now was another run in with the law. 50-50 chance he will get cut. If he does not get sent to jail, the NFL is going to sit him for a few games at the very least. These kids are so stupid!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 11, 2013 11:52:12 GMT -5
they need to cut him and reel this crap in immediately
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Post by macspak on Jul 11, 2013 11:54:25 GMT -5
Wtf is wrong with these kids?! Dennard arrested for suspicion of DUI while being on probation for two years and with a 30 jail sentence awaiting after the season. He screwed himself and the Pats pretty good here. I bet the judge is going to say screw football, you're going to jail right now. You can't violate probation and avoid jail time. Ahhhh that's the last thing we needed right now was another run in with the law. 50-50 chance he will get cut. If he does not get sent to jail, the NFL is going to sit him for a few games at the very least. These kids are so stupid! effen mind boggling. I'd hate to lose this kid but I have zero tolerance for DUI. If guilty I support the judge deciding he violated probation and send him to jail now. I presume most of us on this board are or will be relativley successful without anybody handing us anything. I cannot believe the stupidity of those who are successful because they have been handed their success and then throw it all away and refuse to abide by common decency and concern for their fellow man and the common good. DUI is not evil like murder but it is within one's control to not get drunk and drive and the potential devastating consequences to others because you do drink and drive is evil and inexecusable. Sorry for my ranting soapbox diatribe.
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Post by clduds34 on Jul 11, 2013 11:59:54 GMT -5
Now they just reported that Brandon Bolden had a sprained ankle all off season so hasn't worked out the whole time. What is wrong with these guys? You can't work out for 6 months because you sprained your ankle?! If he is out of shaped come the beginning of the preseason, cut his ass too. We have Ridley, Vereen and Blount then a few youngsters like Bartholomew, Develin, Hines and Winn. If a guy is going to get suspended down the stretch of a season then come into the next camp out of shape, get rid of him. BB needs to send a message to the guys ASAP!
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Post by clduds34 on Jul 11, 2013 12:42:24 GMT -5
Okay just read an updated report on Bolden saying he hurt his ankle during an off season workout program. So at least he was working out but he still better get back on the field quickly after how last season ended for him. Time for BB to crack the whip on these guys.
Really, with these DUIs in the NFL though? They make at worst a half a million dollars a year. Get a friggen cab or pay a buddy $50 to come pick you up. It's really no surprise that some of these guys can barely read and write.
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Post by panimal on Jul 11, 2013 14:52:14 GMT -5
Kelly has a history that indicates he will produce. Armstead is a hope. I am with you Pan in believing Hightower might be our best bet as a top pass rusher if we alter his role and let him loose. Kelly also just quit on his team last year,so let's hope he has found a new religion, The Patriot Way. I do not see Hightower as an effective DE in a 4-3. In a 3-4 as a olb rusher he will make more of an impact. Pan, you were talking in another message about the pass rush being questionable with our DE's. I think their play will improve if the new interior guys [Kelly and Armstead] require more blocking from the other guys OL. How often do you see Willson coming from the S spot on rush packages? I hope Adrian Wilson is bringing pressure like we used to see from Patriot DB's, that will all depend on who steps up at RCB now.
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Post by panimal on Jul 11, 2013 14:57:23 GMT -5
Does is it scare anyone else that we now are left depending on Dowling and the rookie Ryan to step up and start at CB? I regret not harping on adding yet another veteran CB, Grimes only got 1 year if I remember correctly. Newsflash BB: Players are now getting stem cell injections and regenerative therapies like you read about in sci-fi novels, it's OK to take a player who was injured or is old. It's not like our secondary was locked up, though now it may be for the wrong reason. Go get Sheldon Brown or whomever, jeez.
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Post by macspak on Jul 11, 2013 15:32:03 GMT -5
Does is it scare anyone else that we now are left depending on Dowling and the rookie Ryan to step up and start at CB? I regret not harping on adding yet another veteran CB, Grimes only got 1 year if I remember correctly. Newsflash BB: Players are now getting stem cell injections and regenerative therapies like you read about in sci-fi novels, it's OK to take a player who was injured or is old. It's not like our secondary was locked up, though now it may be for the wrong reason. Go get Sheldon Brown or whomever, jeez. Pan, I love your literary allusions! :>)
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Post by Deleted on Jul 11, 2013 15:53:24 GMT -5
msn.foxsports.com/nfl/team/new-england-patriots/67054?q=new-england-patriotsmac did a good job suggesting this one very similar to the espn page we had.... if u guys are up to migrate there or stay here thats fine with me, just want to have a site talk football/sports if this site showed the most recent comments it would be awesome, i no that is a serious nitpick and i sound very lazy. i just like logign in and seeing everything knew right there instead of looking at all the new posts
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Post by Deleted on Jul 11, 2013 17:53:27 GMT -5
msn.foxsports.com/nfl/team/new-england-patriots/67054?q=new-england-patriotsmac did a good job suggesting this one very similar to the espn page we had.... if u guys are up to migrate there or stay here thats fine with me, just want to have a site talk football/sports if this site showed the most recent comments it would be awesome, i no that is a serious nitpick and i sound very lazy. i just like logign in and seeing everything knew right there instead of looking at all the new posts The thread order cannot be adjusted, so you just have to click on the last page of the forum. My pet peve is the size of the avatar, and that cannot be changed either. For now I am going to stay here and try to make it work.
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Post by macspak on Jul 11, 2013 18:12:18 GMT -5
msn.foxsports.com/nfl/team/new-england-patriots/67054?q=new-england-patriotsmac did a good job suggesting this one very similar to the espn page we had.... if u guys are up to migrate there or stay here thats fine with me, just want to have a site talk football/sports if this site showed the most recent comments it would be awesome, i no that is a serious nitpick and i sound very lazy. i just like logign in and seeing everything knew right there instead of looking at all the new posts The thread order cannot be adjusted, so you just have to click on the last page of the forum. My pet peve is the size of the avatar, and that cannot be changed either. For now I am going to stay here and try to make it work. I know I likely am biased but I like this site and hope we all stay, and more join, and try to make it work. I like all the different threads giving us options to discuss different sports. Eventually we can create threads for more specific football related topics like the draft. I share the frustration with the order of entries. Size of the avatar doesn't bother me as much.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 11, 2013 18:39:37 GMT -5
I'm over at rotoworld looking at the Denard and Bolden post and notice that the second highest search this week was for Vareen. And that is for all the NFL not just NE. Lots of non-NE folks seem to have and interest in him.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 11, 2013 19:05:53 GMT -5
that is interesting, i think he will be a big part of our success this year. i see him catching 50-60 passes for 600-750 yards and having about 120-130 carries for 500 yards.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2013 17:21:21 GMT -5
the fact that the Pats didnt release Dennard by 4 PM today, to me at least, shows that they are 1-treating it completely different than the AH PR nightmare and 2-plan on standing by him, at least until he is either convicted of it next month or deemed to have violated probation thus getting more/sooner jail time.
I think Dennard will luckily get off on this charge, and nothing will change with his standing on probation and will be on the opening week roster. this is based on the information i have heard thus far, so if more stuff comes out, i will reconsider my stance. but for now i think he is good and was a "marked man" for what he had done in the past. Im sure he had a few drinks and may have even been over the legal limit, but i now know he wasnt at least legless blackout drunk as it sounded at first. So say he was hovering around .08 maybe even a tad over, the smartest thing he could do was make sure they didnt get a completely accurate breathalyzer reading, and he still passed twice. for now, he may be in the clear with the team and with more legal issues
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2013 17:31:22 GMT -5
the fact that the Pats didnt release Dennard by 4 PM today, to me at least, shows that they are 1-treating it completely different than the AH PR nightmare and 2-plan on standing by him, at least until he is either convicted of it next month or deemed to have violated probation thus getting more/sooner jail time. I think Dennard will luckily get off on this charge, and nothing will change with his standing on probation and will be on the opening week roster. this is based on the information i have heard thus far, so if more stuff comes out, i will reconsider my stance. but for now i think he is good and was a "marked man" for what he had done in the past. Im sure he had a few drinks and may have even been over the legal limit, but i now know he wasnt at least legless blackout drunk as it sounded at first. So say he was hovering around .08 maybe even a tad over, the smartest thing he could do was make sure they didnt get a completely accurate breathalyzer reading, and he still passed twice. for now, he may be in the clear with the team and with more legal issues Think he learned anything? He has to have some cab money!
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Post by macspak on Jul 12, 2013 18:29:52 GMT -5
the fact that the Pats didnt release Dennard by 4 PM today, to me at least, shows that they are 1-treating it completely different than the AH PR nightmare and 2-plan on standing by him, at least until he is either convicted of it next month or deemed to have violated probation thus getting more/sooner jail time. I think Dennard will luckily get off on this charge, and nothing will change with his standing on probation and will be on the opening week roster. this is based on the information i have heard thus far, so if more stuff comes out, i will reconsider my stance. but for now i think he is good and was a "marked man" for what he had done in the past. Im sure he had a few drinks and may have even been over the legal limit, but i now know he wasnt at least legless blackout drunk as it sounded at first. So say he was hovering around .08 maybe even a tad over, the smartest thing he could do was make sure they didnt get a completely accurate breathalyzer reading, and he still passed twice. for now, he may be in the clear with the team and with more legal issues Think he learned anything? He has to have some cab money! I think the jury still is out and should be. I am glad the Pats did not overreact because of AH. Maybe the facts will exonerate Dennard. None of us should be so naïve to believe he was not in the wrong or that the cops were not in the wrong. Wouldn't be the first time. Let's hope he is not a thug. Speaking of thugs - I've read a lot, not here, about who caused AH to become what he became and who's fault was it and that the Pats were wrong for drafting him and not recognizing his true character. Hogwash. Reminds me of something Red said about Bird many years ago after his greatness was evident. "Anybody who says they knew when Bird came out of college that he was going to be this good, great, is a liar." It is hard to look into another person's soul and heart and see what he is made of. That goes to his character in becoming a criminal or a great player.
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Post by macspak on Jul 12, 2013 18:32:44 GMT -5
oriolebill - WELCOME
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Post by macspak on Jul 12, 2013 18:36:06 GMT -5
Does is it scare anyone else that we now are left depending on Dowling and the rookie Ryan to step up and start at CB? I regret not harping on adding yet another veteran CB, Grimes only got 1 year if I remember correctly. Newsflash BB: Players are now getting stem cell injections and regenerative therapies like you read about in sci-fi novels, it's OK to take a player who was injured or is old. It's not like our secondary was locked up, though now it may be for the wrong reason. Go get Sheldon Brown or whomever, jeez. Yes and no. I truly believe Dennard's play was instrumental to the domino success of the Pat's last year secondary and we could use him. Relying upon rookies and injured players is scary. On the other hand I am glad we have them because the depth at S and CB could be our saving grace.
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Post by oriole bill on Jul 12, 2013 20:41:38 GMT -5
Hi guys! I still wish that we had picked up a CB in free agency. We needed the depth. Fortunately it looks as if there is no issue with Dennard. I feel okay about the defense this year. I really like the A Wilson and Armstead signings. I'm not sure that the line is where we want it but all in all it should be an upgrade over last year. Coverage should be better. This is a case where the sum of the parts is greater than the by unit value. The question is can the defense carry the offense long enough for the rookies and new signings to get in synch with Brady and vice versa.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2013 22:05:10 GMT -5
Hi guys! I still wish that we had picked up a CB in free agency. We needed the depth. Fortunately it looks as if there is no issue with Dennard. I feel okay about the defense this year. I really like the A Wilson and Armstead signings. I'm not sure that the line is where we want it but all in all it should be an upgrade over last year. Coverage should be better. This is a case where the sum of the parts is greater than the by unit value. The question is can the defense carry the offense long enough for the rookies and new signings to get in synch with Brady and vice versa. The DL questions are much the same as last year, and the year before that. "Where is the pressure going to come from to get to the QB?" I am not alone in thinking our LBs are better suited to a 3-4, but our DL are more or less 4-3 guys. Given the TE issues, the passing game is going to need to be retooled. That plus all the "getting to know you" stuff has me concerned. For now I'll assume JD and BB are in charge so I will wait and see. Dennard? I don't think things are all ok, forgiven. BTW Welcome to the board.
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Post by macspak on Jul 13, 2013 18:38:23 GMT -5
Looking forward to your insight Pan!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 13, 2013 19:16:31 GMT -5
Pan's detailed reports are always great.
I hope others who want to give detailed information on player coming into the draft also post messages in here.
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Post by panimal on Jul 14, 2013 8:27:55 GMT -5
Does is it scare anyone else that we now are left depending on Dowling and the rookie Ryan to step up and start at CB? I regret not harping on adding yet another veteran CB, Grimes only got 1 year if I remember correctly. Newsflash BB: Players are now getting stem cell injections and regenerative therapies like you read about in sci-fi novels, it's OK to take a player who was injured or is old. It's not like our secondary was locked up, though now it may be for the wrong reason. Go get Sheldon Brown or whomever, jeez. Yes and no. I truly believe Dennard's play was instrumental to the domino success of the Pat's last year secondary and we could use him. Relying upon rookies and injured players is scary. On the other hand I am glad we have them because the depth at S and CB could be our saving grace. I agree completely on Dennard's play, as a boundary CB he can really stifle WR's which is something Arrington could not do at that same position. My point is that even without this incident our secondary could use a veteran presence and I think we all lost sight of that, including myself, when Talib was resigned and to some extent when Ryan was drafted. Consider our backups; Dowling--has not been able to stay healthy at all, Cole--slot CB at best and might be too small/plays too small to ever have an impact......and I don't even know who else is on the roster at CB besides Ryan and the other Rutgers CB we got in UDFA. Given the likelihood of injury to Talib and the overall risk of injury to any CB we should still get a veteran CB who can at least stop the bleeding when one of our starters goes down.
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Post by panimal on Jul 14, 2013 8:51:38 GMT -5
Hi guys! I still wish that we had picked up a CB in free agency. We needed the depth. Fortunately it looks as if there is no issue with Dennard. I feel okay about the defense this year. I really like the A Wilson and Armstead signings. I'm not sure that the line is where we want it but all in all it should be an upgrade over last year. Coverage should be better. This is a case where the sum of the parts is greater than the by unit value. The question is can the defense carry the offense long enough for the rookies and new signings to get in synch with Brady and vice versa. The DL questions are much the same as last year, and the year before that. "Where is the pressure going to come from to get to the QB?" I am not alone in thinking our LBs are better suited to a 3-4, but our DL are more or less 4-3 guys. Given the TE issues, the passing game is going to need to be retooled. That plus all the "getting to know you" stuff has me concerned. For now I'll assume JD and BB are in charge so I will wait and see. Dennard? I don't think things are all ok, forgiven. BTW Welcome to the board. I think the D-line has the potential to play either scheme and be effective, especially if we get the Tommie Kelly who wasn't playing for the Raiders. Kelly and Armstead are ideal 5-tech's in the 3-4; 6'6'' 325 and 6'5 290/300+ with the ability to hold either gap and rush the passer when asked. You put them in the 4-3, pull Vince on 3rd and long and now you really have some pass-rush potential from both your DT's. If I recall the rotational DT's we signed in UDFA seem to be high motor players who could fit nicely into passing downs in either scheme. I'm not really concerned about stopping the run, we've done that in the past and I think we'll continue to do so, especially now that Adrian Wilson is at SS, no more blown tackles and wide open lanes. The interesting variable here is how Collins and Hightower are going to be used along with Ninkovich and Jones. The simplest idea in the 4-3 is that Collins and Hightower are the more athletic pairing of the four players and even though Ninkovich as a DE can struggle holding the edge vs the run he's serviceable there and has the savvy to make plays when we need it. The only thing that might sway that thought is that Ninkovich has the experience and know-how in our system and that is a must for our OLB's; so does his limited athleticism outweigh his football IQ or vice versa? You could pose the opposite debate with Collins, does his athleticism overrule his inexperience at OLB, heck, maybe his skill set fits better at DE than Nink's and the veteran stays at OLB on passing downs while Collins brings the heat. I really hope Collins can contribute and do so extensively by mid-season, his versatility could allow us to maximize matchups along the front-7 and maybe, just maybe we can bring some more pressure from our OLB's.
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Post by macspak on Jul 14, 2013 9:48:20 GMT -5
It APPEARS we have a good blend of rookies, young, prime and veteran D players at all positions. Kelly and Armstead will be huge as to how the DL does but I think the best opportunity we have for the D to really advance is our youth. The rookies (Collins) and players like Dennard, Jones and Hightower. They all appear to have star potential and if Jones and Hightower demonstrate that by the get go and Collins by midseason, with strong role play prior, we really could see an elite D. In this day and age a strong pass rush and secondary/LB matchups are required for a D to be elite (plus turnovers). Collins could provide the interior matchups while Jones and Hightower (I hope) can create the pass rush with some interior help.
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Post by oforilly on Jul 14, 2013 20:20:44 GMT -5
Took a look at a few of the undrafted FA and I'm impressed by Stephon Morris, Thompson wr, and George Winn rb.
Morris looks versatile although short for the NFL standards but dude make plays. Could outplay Arrington in slot.
Thompson is a long thin framed wr with good enough speed, excellent hands, route running and 6'1. I think he makes the team.
George Winn is a physical running with a knack to stay on his feet, good hands and seem to get stronger in the 4th qrts.. I think he makes it over Blunt.
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Post by macspak on Jul 15, 2013 7:36:01 GMT -5
Is it my imagination, optimism or wishful thiunking but does this roster have more overall depth at all positions than any we recently have seen?
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Post by brian2783 on Jul 15, 2013 8:31:24 GMT -5
Ahoy! (izzle) loving the site. getting used to it but very nice guys
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